Performance Chip

[Quick Q]

Hi,
i was looking at getting a chip and extractors for my pulsar.

-Does anyone have these mod's?

-If so what do you think of them?

[twincam16]

Errr you dont really need a chip if you only have an Exhaust and Exractors.

So far we have done extractors, exhaust, cold air shield, pod, ingition advancing, adjusted the mixtures, and had light head work done and stll running the stock ecu...

its quite a happy litlle chappy too :D

[dan]

avoid powerchip, go for chiptorque or unichip.

if you want to know why, click here (http://forum.pulsarsss.com/search.php?s=) and search for powerchip.

[nxrcoupe]

how do you adjust the mixtures... i thoiught the ecu took care of that?

Lance

[twincam16]

you can force the ecu to do certain things. likeplaying with certain input censors

[nxrcoupe]

cool mate!:thumbsup:

Alright what did you'll do? Sorry I'm just curious!!! :)

Lance

[twincam16]

its not too hard. ill see if i can did up the info on it.

[dan]

Originally posted by nxrcoupe
how do you adjust the mixtures... i thoiught the ecu took care of that?

you use what is called an interceptor device, which modifies the signal certain sensors (such as the afm and lamba sensor) are sending to the ecu.

for instance, if you wanted the car to run richer (more fuel for the same amount of air) the interceptor would modify the signal the afm was sending to the ecu and make it higher, hence the ecu would think there is more air than there really is, would inject more fuel and the mixture would be richer.

the opposite is correct if you want the car to lean out.. and the same basic method is how boost controllers and other interceptors work.

if you're interested in changing the air/fuel ratios on your car your two choices are to either buy a programmable interceptor (of which i'd suggest the a'pexi s-afc, $770 from the autospeed.com shop), or to take your car to chiptorque/unichip and have them design a custom map for you.

the advantage of the a'pexi (or similar) device is that you can change it as you make modifications to your car, or if you want to experiment with different settings. it is also about $200 cheaper than a visit to chiptorque.

the advantage of a custom chip is that it can change more than just your fuel/air ratios (for instance, it can change ignition timing, rev limiter) and unless you have a professional tune your programmable device (or spend a lot of time on it yourself), the tune on the custom chip will often be superior.

hope this helps :)

- dan

[Spectrix]

My Cat Tamika has a chip

:) It was only $80

:mad: It didn't really improve her performance, infact it mad her growl and hiss at the vet.

[twincam16]

Thats just Sad...

Really Sad

[Spectrix]

Guess you're a 'dog' person huh

[twincam16]

I used to own a daewoo if that means anything :angel:

[Spectrix]

Hahaha
That kinda counts

As for being 'sad', tonight a moth pissed on me on me after i disturbed it when i was getting the washing off the line.
That's been the highlight of the evening so far :bawlink:

[Rex]

i just got a powerchip! it gave me 150kw @ the wheels! i love you powerchip!

[twincam16]

are you still smashed Clay?

[SILVRSSS]

150kw at the wheels you are dreamin

As for chip nice work Joey, my dogs got one too, take him to coles and last week he was on special for 15.95 per kilo

Works out the little shit cost $217.15

Oh and clay when you wake up from the dream, R U going down the coast tonight

Cheers
Neill

[Rex]

lol no, going to the speedway tonight ;)

[Quick Q]

Rex did u really get 150kw's at the wheels?

coz i was told powerchip, don't hold there power...

[Spectrix]

OK Guys sorry to do this but I'm gonna have to put a ban on talking about PowerChip, as they are too Gay.

[naturaldisasta]

have you guys heard of Julian Edgar from Zoom magazine and a few other mags as well?

He HATES powerchip with a passion. He wrote a wild article that slammed them.

A bit of gos. When Julian first got his his r32 gtr (I think it was a r32) on the way home that night, he flexed it into a tree hahaha. Then blamed it on the car. Hahahaha. Cost him aroun $8000 to fix.

[jasssper]

what sorta power chip do you have and how much Rex
thanks
jasper

[REDSSS]

he doesnt have a chip hes just being a dik

[Rex]

yep i was only being a dick
sorry :)

if i was gonna get a chip id go chiptorque or unichip (but not from bob romano)

[rix250]

heya fellas. in your opinion, what is the best chip to use and are they worth it? eg. unichip, microtech, powerchip,chiptorque...? thanks :thumbsup:

[Sam]

I looked at performance chips a while ago and for n13's powerchip was the only one that made them for n13's, but you have an n14 so there might be more avaliable. It seems that they are mostly made ffor performance cars. I personally think that they really aren't worth the money. I looked at the gold powerchip that can only be run with premium petrol 98oct and that only gave a 6kw power increase. in my opinion don't waste your money on one unless you have lots to waste.

My 2c anyway

good luck

sam:thumbsup:

[basshead]

Well Unichip for me :)

It's hard to say which is best. It all depends on what you are going to do with it - if you're going to need constant and extensive retuning then en easily-reprogrammable one would be better than a straight-out plug-in chip that isn't reprogrammable (aren't they all now?)

And which shop you go to will have an influence on what chip you get, too.

[slut]

Powerchip? Ugh, I have heard bad things.

Unichip seems to be a (sort of) affordable way to go, I know of a couple of people who have used it succesfully.

[PhilSSStevenson]

See the ad?


Anyone done it... that is the power chip upgrade?


I'm interested in your thoughts on value for money, etc...



Regards.


:roll:

[xlnsss]

powerchip are a bit suss. the best option would be unichip or chiptorque as they can custom make one for your car according to your requirements and can even dyno tune the chip $$$. There is an article about this at http://www.autospeed.com check it out.

[Spectrix]

Yeah they are a little suss in that they claim a 20kw increase at the fly wheel even though they don't own or borrow an engine dyno.. and 20kw is a huge increse without ANY other mods like exhaust headwork etc.

I queried them and they sent me a 'dyno sheet' - I had to laugh.. it was obviously drawn up in Ms Paint.

[Rex]

what is the best one to get? Ive heard that people didnt get much gain from unichip/chiptorque and that a full replacement is the go... what will happen to stuff like cold start idle, plus all the other systems in your car which depend on the stock ecu... any1 care to elaborate which is the best and why?

Thanks
Clay

[flygxe]

I have modified my N13 pulsar 1.8le.

I researched the chip replacement and re burning but decided to go for a replacemnt ecu. The advantage of my replacement Microtech MT8 system is that i pluged it into your original ecu for the cold start functions and idle speeds etc.

Microtech is also fully programable from a hanset of through a computer.

[timmmay]

i'm not talking from experience, but according to websites etc.. performancechip would be the way to go if u just want a chip replacement as they offer up to 89 kw or 90 kw on 98 octane fuel. chiptorque only offers a 4kw increase for the same price

[timmmay]

by the way i was speaking in reference to an n13 1.8l motor ;) and the performance chip had a 16kw increase

:)

[Sim]

the guy at driftking reckons chiptorque is the way to go clay.
if u have full exhaust and you intake done..which u have the next step is to go get the chip. It's 870 bucks..then u pay for dyno time..they fully tune it for u..and of u do any other mods .. like quad throttle bodies u can go back there and they will adjust it for u. Richard reckons u can get anywhere from 10 - 15 kw!!! so with your zaust and stuff done plus chip u should be gettin 120 + at the flywheel!!! low 15's should be in order!!!

i hope to be looking at this by christmas...

cheers!!!

[symodt]

i am going to get a haltech ecu the my n13 vector $995 direct plugin with base maps already in it, fully programable. i was thinking about a chip but this will cost the same if not less than a chiptouqe chip. it is suitabale for all cars with delco ecu's so when i sell the car i can sell it to anyone that has a delco ecu is VS commodor.

[Rex]

Hey Sim that sounds cool but after talking to a few people ive sorta been turned off the piggyback stuff, i like the idea of getting rid of the AFM for a MAF so i can have 3" flow from the filter rather than that pissant 1" hole (if that). I like the sound of the Microtech plugging into the factory computer to retain use of the other systems in the car, does anybody know what a Microtech MT8 is worth? Is that the best model or is there a better one? Any1 know some1 in Brisbane who can supply, fit and tune a Microtech? Anyhow thanks for ur help guys, appreciate it.

Clay

[BDW555]

What about Powerchip (http://www.powerchipgroup.com/chips/chip.asp?c=1&cid=Nis0009)? I was thinking of getting one at some stage down the track.

[timmmay]

ahh shit i made a mistake, i was talking about powerchip lol

:thwap:

[Rex]

NO@! :thwap: :thwap: :thwap:

do NOT get powerchip...
have a look on www.autospeed.com.au and search for the powerchip article... they are.. *edited*...

Administrator - I totally agree with you Clay but we have rules about derogatory statments on companies that sell *edited* products. Spectrix

[Mr N20]

Originally posted by Sim
the guy at driftking reckons chiptorque is the way to go clay.
if u have full exhaust and you intake done..which u have the next step is to go get the chip. It's 870 bucks..then u pay for dyno time..they fully tune it for u..and of u do any other mods .. like quad throttle bodies u can go back there and they will adjust it for u. Richard reckons u can get anywhere from 10 - 15 kw!!! so with your zaust and stuff done plus chip u should be gettin 120 + at the flywheel!!! low 15's should be in order!!!

i hope to be looking at this by christmas...

cheers!!!

You should piss in low 15's with just exhaust and CAI!! The best stefan and the boys at chiptorque have got out of a SR20DE pulsar is about 89 @ wheels. Clay if you decide you want a chiptorque chip come see me first as i can get them about $200 cheaper than that:thumbsup: (this deal is not for everyone)


shan

[Spectrix]

Clay I hope you go the full monty and install programmable ECU and map sensor and perhaps a fuel regulator and quad throttle bodies.. would be great to see what these mods can create.. everyones asking about it and no ones actually doing it. :thumbsup:

[Sim]

hey clay if u can afford a mircotech go for it dude!!!!

i was gonna do the chiptorque cause it suits my povo sort of budget!!!

u reckon easy low 15 hey shan, shit eh!! cool...so they got 89kw at the wheels...that equats to about 120kw flywheel???

anywayz good look with your programing!!

not sure where to go for the microtech either??

[rix250]

i know this has been raised befor, but has anyone got a powerchip and are they worth it. the site quotes big kw gains. true yes/no? thanks

[jemN14sss]

yep i got one.
you get smoother and quicker acceleration off the line. Don't start thinking your head will snap off when gunning it but there is a big difference, specially when you have 4 passengers weighing you down.
If they are worth it all depends if you have $900 to throw away.
I'm not regretting putting it in.
jEm:thwap:

[Sim]

so is it like they say in their add...

"viagra for your car"

???

did u get wood...more importantly..did ur car get wood??

khehe

[jemN14sss]

Everyone one was getting wood cept the girls, they were just getting horny!

jEm:thumbsup:

[PhilSSStevenson]

OK...

here goes...

I'm installing a Powerchip tomorrow - code Nissan009 GOLD 98 chip....

I'll advise on the outcome soon....


:rockin:

[XSS51V]

I hope you have done all the normal exhaust and intake mods before you get it tuned....otherwise you will have ot get all retuned again....

[bretto]

His profile indicates he has. Got extractors as well :thumbsup:

[Mr N20]

yep thats right!:thumbsup: the chip is what you do to make all your mods work together so yes make sure you're ready dude


shan

if the engine is std or just exhaust and timing then the chip wont do much for power only response and fuel consumption

[kamikaze]

Hey mate u had the bogging when cold problem.. ?? if so has the chip fixed that :)

[xlnsss]

if u guys hadnt noticed he is installing a powerchip. No on car tuning just a plug in option.

[kamikaze]

its performance Chip therefore it can be tuned.. AFAIK

[xlnsss]

http://www.autospeed.com/A_0402/page1.html

this is what im reffering to.....

[Dave_Q_2L]

well if the chips can be tuned after you get other mods then i think i might do that, becuase if i get anything else done to my car then my insurance goes up from 1100 per year to 1800 per yeah plus higher excess, and i thought that powerchips were undetectable so it wont effect your insurnce ;) so instead of getting extractors i was thinking maybe getting the powerchip with just my cat bcak system and then wait for a while before i get the extractors when i can afford the insurance
what do you think?

:confused:

[Rex]

Hey mate,
I reckon you should go the unichip instead of powerchip... I dont want to say too much because I know we arent allowed to shitbag suppliers but yeh, I would definitely go the unichip...

Just my opinion:thumbsup:
Clay

[jemN14sss]

Hey
I got the powerchip on a otherwise stock sss (besides air filter) and there is a HUUUUGE difference in power
JEm:)

[Dave_Q_2L]

is the chip either by powerchips or unichip detectable by insurance compaines? will they check? because i cant afford higher insurance but if they cant detect it i will definatly go for one

[Rex]

I think you can hide it, thats what Im going to do aswell :devil:

[Sim]

hey shan..so if i get like a chiptorque chip or unichip (one day) i won't be getting much power for me 800 bucks yeah???

say if i get full exhaust (only cat back atm) and intake setup..plus my timing..it won't help much powerwise yeah???

i don't want better fuel economy..i wanna GO FASTER!...

[Dave_Q_2L]

Originally posted by Rex
I think you can hide it, thats what Im going to do aswell :devil:


sounds good mate i think i will do the same :devil:

[jemN14sss]

Powerchips are totally undectable:devil:

[Sim]

hey dude u gotta let us know what it does???

they reckon (for ur chip) 105kw - upto 121kw...

if this is true..im getting one..but i can't imagine this being the case.... but 16kw for 900 bucks is friggin cheap...

so let us know..

[jemN14sss]

I haven't done a Dyno
but i rekon it's up around 121kw i think its definately worth it.
Plus u get up to 204 Nm of torque which is a massive increase from the 179Nm standard
Jeremy

[Spectrix]

Jeremy please dyno your car asap...

:thumbsup:

[ray]

did anyone else read that article on the chips?????

that autospeed reporter is an absolute wanker, if anyone knows him, hit him for me

haha, all that shit says a chip is benificial to a standard car

do they modify it if u make a modification???

say u put it on a standard car, then go get a zorst or cams or something, wat happens then???

[Spectrix]

As far as I recall the article was pointing out that Powerchip don't own an engine dyno and have shown no evidence of ever having used one.
This is strange as they quote massive figures at the flywheel without any dyno graphs to back it up.

I contacted powerchip myself and asked them to send me dyno graphs, and the image that arrived the following day was quite obviously drawn up in Ms Paint.
Other Chip companies are happy to provide 'DD' dyno graphs showing modest gains at the wheels when tuned to cams/exhausts etc. Yet powerchip claim huge gains with no other mods.

I'm not saying that powerchip are dodgy but they certainly *appear* to be as they are very secretive about what testing is performed on their chips.
If what they say about gains is true I'd be buying one straight away. But I really want to see some legitimate evidence first.

[PhilSSStevenson]

OK.....

Powerchip arrived on a complete computer board... Replaced with stock and guess what?

the bloody car didn't start and both radiator fans came on at ignition (engine cold)

Rang powerchip and they were dissapointed and asked for the unit to be returned.....

Be in touch, should have the unit on board by the end of next week.


I'll keep you posted....

:Poke:

[dan]

Originally posted by ray
did anyone else read that article on the chips?????

that autospeed reporter is an absolute wanker, if anyone knows him, hit him for me

haha, all that shit says a chip is benificial to a standard car

do they modify it if u make a modification???

say u put it on a standard car, then go get a zorst or cams or something, wat happens then???

i'd say the guy from powerchip is an abolsute wanker, and if anyone knows him, i feel sorry for you..

they're making up figures that they havnt proven.. which is lying. they are using lies in their promotional material. not cool.

[Spectrix]

Dan!
.. dissing companies.. naughty... might get sued...:bawlink:

[Sim]

yeah that article was a bit shonky..found it hard to belelive powerchip man...

and theres ur proof with PhillSSSteveson one..

it didn't work...hmmmmmmmmmm

me thinks chiptorque still...although please post the results..i need cheap horespower.

[Mr N20]

Geeeeeez where do i start???????????????:rolleyes:

Any chip that plugs straight in with no dyno tune to configure fuel maps and ignition is an absolute crock of shit!!!!! how the hell can they predict whats done to your car and what the car likes!!!
power chip = CR@P
Unichip has cold start problems in a lot of cases but some dont
Chiptorque i know the best because of knowing lachlan and stef and the boys arent too bad but its not a performance option its only calibrating the ECU to work with the modifications you've done thats all!!!! that comes from lachlan the owner and producer of chiptorque too guy's!!
any chip can be detected from either opening the ECU case or an emissions test up the zorst!! does send it crazy
In my opinion guy save a few more hundred $$$ and come see me as im now a Haltech reseller and they arent as expensive as people think!! just greedy shops!!!:rolleyes:
chiptorque have never got anymore than 92kw from a pulsar and that was with headwork, cams etc etc but their chips can be tuned on the car at anytime to adapt to more mods so thats not bad i suppose and if you want one i can get then pretty cheap

16kw......cheap........geeez dude????? for $1400 ill give ya 120kw's..........:devil:

[PhilSSStevenson]

I'm not wanting to defend powerchip too much yet.... proof soon... but...

didn't Nissan themselves put a Powerchip in their Silhouette Skylines in the early 90's?

Anyhow I will honestly report on the difference....


also.. from what a gather they were sincerely dissapointed with the bug, but have said that the GOLD98 NISS0009 chip is one of their most reliable...
The dyno thing... well they do use dyno testing (however they don't own one)... but they seem to be more of a techie company than a mechanical one (if ya catch my drift)


Keep ya posted :Poke:

[kamikaze]

N20 what chip would u recommened or u don't recommened any for Performance and tuning..

with Haltech u can tune and also it gives ya performance ?

[Mr N20]

None of them give gains unless your engine was needing some adjusting that the ECU wasnt capable to do, in my opinion powerchip probably not, unichip hmm suppose to be alright but not many people to tune them, chiptorque umm ahh mmm yes and no, yes they can be tuned and tuned again but i dont have much faith in their lead tuning guy up here even knowing he tunes marty's car but ive had quite a few bad and poor outcome experiences with them

Haltech.....well what can i say they have a built in nitrous controller!!!!!:D but they are the best that i would recommend and you have the access to tune yourself or there are plenty of places around to tune them not like chips where you have to keep going back to the same place whether you like it or not.
As i said haltech can be tuned so fine that you will definately pick up power just from perfect mapping of fuel and ignition where the std ecu is always in a type of safe mode.

shan

[Sim]

Originally posted by Mr N20

16kw......cheap........geeez dude????? for $1400 ill give ya 120kw's..........:devil: [/B]

he he yeah but thats cheating shan...

ohh and I....L....L....E....G....A....L...

but i like it :devil:

[Mr N20]

just remember its only the guy who lost whinging about cheating!!!;)

but still i can give you 110kw @ the wheels for $1200 approx
not cheating just a really nice port, polish, valve cut and cam timing job on a new head!!


shan:thumbsup:

[ballz]

i'll be hitting you up in the near future on that offer :D

[jemN14sss]

from my point of view
The powerchip works well in my car. i do notice the increase in power.

jeremy

[Mr N20]

Dont get me wrong imnot saying it wont work but i am saying i cant see how it can make power without being tuned, unless its a self learning ECU and in that case the std one does the same


shan

[Spectrix]

We really need to get these guys with powerchips onto a dyno.. Jeremy you're first.. then phill if he ever gets his car to start.

:p

[kamikaze]

Jeremy,

Do you have the Cold Starting Problem eg when its cold does it Bogg down a bit ??

Did u have it before the chip do u have it now :))

[jemN14sss]

Nah i got no probs at all.
Well there is one and that is trying to control the ****** torque steer!!!!

:devil:

Jeremy

[Sim]

yeah if i ever get cashed up shan ill take u up on that offer too..

whats realiablity like??? how many km's would u get out of the engine??

whould she dip into the high 14's with the right clutch, spring setup?? that would be cool..

i thought u were talking a nice NOS kit...he he

:thumbsup:

[kamikaze]

Jeremy did it bogg before the chip ?

[jemN14sss]

My car never bogged down even on a cold start.
Jeremy

[PhilSSStevenson]

continues.....

Powerchip have received the return ECU board... looks like a 'dry socket' was the prob...

Should now get the Gold98 chip by end of the week...

Then the truth will be known....


Keep ya posted....


:rockin:

[Dave_Q_2L]

Originally posted by Mr N20
just remember its only the guy who lost whinging about cheating!!!;)

but still i can give you 110kw @ the wheels for $1200 approx
not cheating just a really nice port, polish, valve cut and cam timing job on a new head!!


shan:thumbsup:


that sounds pretty dam good! i may take you up on that one day
just wondering how it affects insurance??
like if its all internal work can the insurance compaines check for that??

[dan]

Originally posted by jemN14sss
Nah i got no probs at all.
Well there is one and that is trying to control the ****** torque steer!!!!

have you got any proof of the power levels mate?

eg. a dyno graph, a 1/4 mile slip.. etc. i'd like to beleive you, but i'll need proof..

[jemN14sss]

I haven't got any proof
One day i might get some but at the moment i am happy with the performance and i think its better.
A dyno could spoil all that for me!
I got my powerchip cause i wanted to find out if they are as good as they say and cause i am searching for more power!!


jeremy :rolleyes:

[PhilSSStevenson]

OK..... I have been advsied by Powerchip that the replacement ecu + chip will arrive tomorrow..

What I can determine is that those who have instaled one are pleased... and remember that NISSAN installed Powerchips into their Nissan Skyline Silhouette GTS's in the early 90's.....


Will advise soon.....can't wait :bounce:

[Mr N20]

Holden Commodore VN's had squeeky suspension in the early 90's:thumbsup:

[kamikaze]

Phil SSS does your car bog atm ? when cold etc... ??

[PhilSSStevenson]

ITS ALL OVER ROVER....

RECEIVED THE RETURNED ECU and POWERCHIP AND INSTALLED IT....

GUESS WHAT...

IT DIDN'T WORK...

I'M RETURNING IT FOR A REFUND AND WON'T EVER BE ENTERTAINING THE THOUGHT OF CHIP UPGRADES AGAIN......


:gives:

[kamikaze]

It didn't work what do u mean ??

[BootySlap]

Shit, I dont have much confidence in Powerchip anymore... maybe try one more time Phil ?

[Sim]

powerchip :gay:

[jemN14sss]

bad luck mate.
When mine got installed one of the blokes from powerchip was in sydney so he did it for me and everything was sweet.

[Mr N20]

Hmm another satisified customer! ive heard of that happening from other people with power chip but thought they must of just stuffed up somehow!!!

how much was it? $800? hmm another $200 and ill do the head exchange with you instead im sure that will work out just a tad better than the chip!!!!:thumbsup:

[jemN14sss]

I'd like to take you up on that offer anyway.
bad luck that your about 1000km away though.

[SSSXS2K]

OK dudes and dudettes

I got a powerchip installed... it was a GOLD 98....

I got about 5.5kw at the wheels... however it looks like the comparsion dyno result was taken from a dyno i had a few months earlier... The guys had moved so maybe the dyno is not calibrated exaclty the same.. im not certain.


Anyhow the car is ALOT smoother and you can see that on the dyno results. It does feel quicker but I am yet to test it on the track to get an accurate time... racing friends at lights just isnt accurate enough.

O total cost was $900 drive in drive out...output was 72kw b4 and 77.5kw after @ wheels

Also i have a question about genie extractors ... if anyone knows that they are shit please tell me cause i expected to be at 90kw @ wheels like that other post earlier i have same mods but genie extractors and 2.25 system. Or i will be putting the standard mainifold back on with the 2.25 cat back system. I'm going to get a base figure from another Dyno place to see how much dif there is.

Pete:thwap:

[Rex]

I have heard the Genie extractors lose power... but thats only going by what was said by that guy on Autocraz.com

[ray]

so u have a full exhaust and a chip and u got 77kw atw?????

troy has genies, with stock exhaust, he got something liek 80 atw o_O

[SSSXS2K]

Yea i know thats why im going to get another dyno run on a dif dyno...the guy said he ran a Type R that had been run at BGTz at 130kw at the wheels .. on his dyno (the one i used) it was only 106kw...

You would think they would calibrate all dynos the same...

dats wacked .... or my cars just a total piece of shit:bawlink:

Pete:thwap:

[Mr N20]

What gear do they use? cause it has to be 4th to be accurate
alot of peeps use 3rd after they've tuned your car so the higher power figure makes it look like they've done wonders to your car!!!:rolleyes:
or in your case 5th maybe? i thought SR20 pulsars did 76kw std?? is that true?

shan

[kamikaze]

well on dyno stock standard with 16s i did 73.4kw

[dan]

Originally posted by Mr N20
What gear do they use? cause it has to be 4th to be accurate
alot of peeps use 3rd after they've tuned your car so the higher power figure makes it look like they've done wonders to your car!!!:rolleyes:
or in your case 5th maybe? i thought SR20 pulsars did 76kw std?? is that true?

shan

shan, so long as you input all the gear ratios in to the computer attatched to the dyno it dosnt matter what gear you run it in, so long as the road speed at your peak power is below the dynos top speed.

it's best to run it in the gear closest to a 1:1 ratio tho.. less power loss. which is where the "always in 4th" thing comes from i think..

[Mr N20]

yeah thats right dan but most people have no idea what their ratios are in the g/box.........:rolleyes: hehe


shan

[WSSSUP]

Originally posted by SSSXS2K

dats wacked .... or my cars just a total piece of shit:bawlink:

Pete:thwap:

Pete your car aint shit mate..... Tis cool, and it goes bloody hard.

You should be able to get at least over 80kw at the wheels, and thats pretty darn good mate.

You want more... suprcharger...will bring you up to about 99kw at the wheel.

Or you go conversion to det(save your money for wrx)

Cheers dude
Bonesss

[jemN14sss]

At a recent dyno my car got 91.6kW with the chip, extractors and 2" exhaust.

[Spectrix]

Mmmm.. I'm pretty sceptical about Powerchip but thats not a bad dyno figure at all.
Can you give us a little more info.. what gear was this done in?
Were there other pulsars dynoed the same day?

[xlnsss]

http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4067

[WanaGo]

Can someone please explain to me what a powerchip is... Im just getting familiar with all this stuff.... is it an addon or something to the ECU ?
What exactially does it do?

Thanks

[woodsy]

true 2 that what exactly does it change? or effect ?

[bretto]

As i undertand it, powerchip and the others like it, are replacements for the standard nissan ECU. They remap the conservative factory settings letting you take full advantage of your mods and thus freeing up more power. :)

[sathid]

i think it's a reprogrammable daughterboard for the ecu.
like it kinda plugs in like RAM in a computer does.
or something

r we talking about an sr20de motor here, or the GA16DE

[jemN14sss]

The powerchip is soldered onto your ecu.
It remaps the factory settings to gain more power

[Spectrix]

Powerchips and other piggyback chips modify the data that the standard ECU receives from various sensors. Example - stock SR20DEs usually run a little rich, so by making the ECU think the engine is running TOO rich, the Piggyback chip can persude it to lean out the mixtures, creating a little more power. Same goes for ignition timing etc.

Theoretically a Unichip tuned in real-time on a dyno by an experienced techie should yeild better results than a One-size-fits-all Powerchip, however I'm wiling to give them the benifit of the doubt here as the dyno figures look very promising.

It's about time someone actually tested those controversial chips. Even powerchip themselves wont provide legitimate dynographs.

So congratulations Jem, that's an excellent result. :thumbsup:

[jemN14sss]

Thanx mate.

[QIKRNU]

heh u should have seen the grin on his face when he saw it was in the 90s :D

[jemN14sss]

I still am smiling. but i have stopped jumping around everywhere:bounce: :bounce: :D

[KOPDISSS]

ah so a powerchip is just the plug n' play type one? for how much 800-900? (too lazy to check other posts sorry :) )

I will be investing in the Unichip at christmas, $1200 installed and dynoed/tuned, so l will let you all know the results, its at a place called APS and the head tuner guy is the one that teaches all other places on how to tune the chip, he is the most experienced so l feel confident of good results apparently re-tunes are done for as little as 50-150 dollars too :) unless you've gone full sick and rebuilt'/replaced lots of bits n' pieces

[PhilSSStevenson]

PowerChip?

Hmmmmm

I ordered one and they sent it to me already soldered on a ECU (return my one)

Did it work?....nope, engine ran rough as guts and conked out....

Sent it back and they sent another....

Did it work?...nope, engine would not even start and petrol flooded the engine.....

I sent it back and ordered a refund...

Saved $900... phew.....


Leave it to you.....

:vomit:

[NOCODE]

When i asked my mechanic wat i should do he said get the chip last then it can be programmed to gain the most out of your existing modifications.
This guy said the SR is good when you do big air induction mods for better breathing, change the cams then bump up the timing, then get a chip.:p

[KOPDISSS]

hmmm yeah that makes sense, but l figured if you dont have all the $$$ at the one time, why not get the chip when you just have the basics like zorst/filter & mini stuff, then when you get cams, get it tuned to suit then whenever you get another majour mod head/pistons get it tuned again, atleast this way you car is running @ 100% @ the time, otherwise l figure if you get a cam your car will be running @ 80%+ (guess?) until your get around to installing other goodies and eventually get it tuned, hmmm does that make sense? well it does in my head anyway :)

I will get the unichip after l have the new zorst/leads/plugs/clutch/flywheel, then l will look into serious stuff like cams/heads/pistons etc. then have the comp retuned to suit, sure it may cost about $300 or so more doin it this way but hey l'm an impatient bastard!! :)

[NOCODE]

good point,
i just cant affor a chip yet, nor cams, but i know ill do cams befor e a chip

[SSSXS2K]

I have a powerchip ...


Cost 900$ fitted...

Got a 5.5kw goin @ wheels from b4 it being fitted.

Do i think it was worth it ... err not really i should just spent the money on a turbo conversion....

Dont get me wrong its like an improvement and if you dont wanna spend 3K + on a conversion id so go for it....

BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE 16kw THE QUOTE ON THE WEBPAGE..

Pete:thwap:

Go hard or just get a damn turbo

[MYN15]

but when you think about it kw don't just jump into your engine sometimes it is really hard to get alot of kw out of one modification

[Spectrix]

eeeew

*spectrix becomes sceptical again*

[PhilSSStevenson]

Originally posted by Spectrix
eeeew

*spectrix becomes sceptical again*


Not bloody surprised.....


I think that powerchips are for non-enthustiasts....... get sucked in by the blurb................


:Flipa:

[Zhecka]

Hey guys,dont waste your money on Powerchip, there is an alternative with guaranteed results for similar dollars.Check out this thread:
http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4280

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by PhilSSStevenson
Not bloody surprised.....


I think that powerchips are for non-enthustiasts....... get sucked in by the blurb................


:Flipa:


Thats a bit harsh. What are you calling me then? I ain't no non-enthusiast.

I got the chip so i could see for myself if it was any good and make up my own mind about it instead of listening to what people have heard.

[PhilSSStevenson]

Originally posted by jemN14sss
Thats a bit harsh. What are you calling me then? I ain't no non-enthusiast.

I got the chip so i could see for myself if it was any good and make up my own mind about it instead of listening to what people have heard.

Nuttin' personal.... I was stating a general observation....

I too was caught upu in the blurb..... read on....

PowerChip?

Hmmmmm

I ordered one and they sent it to me already soldered on a ECU (return my one)

Did it work?....nope, engine ran rough as guts and conked out....

Sent it back and they sent another....

Did it work?...nope, engine would not even start this time and petrol flooded the engine.....

I sent it back and demanded a refund...

Saved $900... phew.....


Leave it to you.....

[QIKRNU]

man how many times are you going to post that you had problems with powerchip. im so over it, u got your money back, be happy they were nice enough not to be pains in the arse. its obvious by looking at jems car the powerchip DOES work. its as simple as that.

[Triple S]

Dude, he's not whinging, The question was asked about the chip and he gave his personal feedback. Then someone took it the wrong way so he clarified that these were his experiences and to make up your own mind. I personally don't have anything but the stock chip be If looking for a chip I wouldn't buy one that doesn't give the claimed gains. (Powerchip claim 16kw but I've never heard of anything better than about 6kw). A good gain I'll grant you but not what was claimed.

[jemN14sss]

yeah mate i remember what happened to you with the chip, if i had the same thing happen i would of been dirty too.

[PhilSSStevenson]

OK thanks,

I'm letting it rest in peace now...


the only chips I'm interested in now are those that come with fish......

:silly:

[citrus]

Hi all,

I wanted to get some idea from people who have put aftermarket chips in their car.

What type of chip did you get?

How Much?

What sort of difference did it make efficiency and proformance?

Did you consider it worth the expense?

any info would be appreciated, thanks.

[RiZZa]

Im putting a chiptorque chip in to take advantage of the cams and headwork we're doin on my pulsar plus i can run a bigger af meter.

[l6a6w6s6]

Did you know that Chip torque do the same thing as putting on a daughterboard.

The good thing is that they have an emulator to tune in real time and have lots of experience, they should be worth the money.

If you want to do this DIY, then a daughterboard is the go.

[Dave_Q_2L]

how many people here have done the chip torque cams and chip package?? has it been worth it compared to powerchip from powerchips australia

[PhilSSStevenson]

Chips?

As I've said in previous threads, from my experience with chips, the only ones I like are those that accompany fish.....

:silly:

[Nathan]

It depends on how much work your gonna do to your engine too.If your gonna leave it at a chip headwork and cams then a chip is probably pretty good but if you were gonna do more I'd be thinking more on an aftermarket computer

[NambuccaSSS]

The way i see it, forget about a chiptorque chip or any other aftermarket chip, they are over priced and have no little to no value when you are looking at around $700+ then there is dyno time.
There are quite few work shops around now that are reprogramming your chip , dyno and all for $500-$600 with daughterboard so why pay excessive prices for something you can get for much cheaper??
If you doubt the effectiveness or proffesionalism of daughter boards etc dont. A mate of mine is doing a cheap engine conversion on his 96 gts4, all his is doing is ripping the rb25de out buying just the engine not the half cut in rb26tt, as the loom is the same then using his existing loom and getting adaughterboard with the rb26tt binary images on it. No need for ecu replacement, no need for expensive aftermarket items.

Give www.unigroup.com.au a call they have had heaps of experience and are quick replyers to their email.

[Goose]

I had a Chiptorque chip in my SSS, as well as getting Vernier cam gears , filter and a full exhaust done. made a hell of an improvement to the car as far as feel underfoot went. I'm not sure how much the chip cost me coz I had it all done in the one hit, but the car was down the coast for a couple of days to tune and make sure everything was running properly.

[ONGOEY]

I think it would be smart to look round and buy an aftermarket computer.
I know of one guy sellin a unichip on performance forums, said had an offer of $400, and would give it to me for $425.

But i just bought a Microtech MTX-8, with brand new wiring loom, for a great price.

Im sure it will be well worth it once i get it in and tunned, on my SR20DET when it arrives...

[NambuccaSSS]

I have never heard so much crap in my life,
This is a blatant case of ripping people off.
I did law for a few years at the Ass. Degree level and can tell you that Chiptorque's charge policy is way out of line and i am 90% syre it is illegal. The reason being that under Contract law, Chiptorque made and offer to sell the product its licence etc to a third party which accepted the offer, a legal contract was made, binding chiptorque to service, maintain etc the product they sold.
The fact that the product was sold to another person is irrelevant as the only thing that has changed is the third party. When the product was sold again the right to have the product serviced maintained etc was passed onto the person that bought it through another legally binding contract, (offer and acceptance rule)
Chiptorque has not only a legal obligation but also a moral one to service all its products regardless of who owns it.

Department of fair trading are always keen to hear about this sort of business practice and the fact that they are selling a product which is known in the car community as less than satisfactory will only give more push to snub out this sort of behaviour.

The link to department of fair trading:-
http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/

My experience with the department of fair trading has been good and the best way to do it is to ring up one of the representatives as if there is a straight forward breach such as this they have been known to jump straight on the phone with the company and sort things out for you.

Its a shame it has to come to this however, Chiptorque are only shooting themselves in the foot, not only have they ripped off several people in this forum but once this forum gets posted on other forums and within other car clubs i cant see their members taking a "chance" on any of chiptorques products.

All i can say is "good luck" to chiptorque as they will need it to run a business without customers. :Flipa:

[Mr N20]

ive deleted my previous post about it due to a phone call i had with lauchlan the owner of chiptorque. He explained things more clearly to me:

The $380 half price upgrade actually includes a full inspection and software upgrade if needed, installed and a 12mth warranty so really they are offering a brand new chip for the money.

They have however agreed to just tune the car for us at only dyno time costs. they just wont honor any claims or faults with it.

sorry Chiptorque for my previous post but as i said the first 2 phone calls i had with the sales team didnt get any explanations of why.

shan

[NambuccaSSS]

RESULTS!!!!!!
I wonder why????

[MrPulsar]

Ask SSSXS what a chip does.....

SWEET F. A.

[SSS GIRL]

Hey Guys / Girls

Just a question, what sort of chips are people running in their cars, and what sort of improvements did they gain from them??

have heard of such brands powerchip gold 98, unichip, powerchip...etc.

what views do people have on these and other brands. I'm not looking at doing anything now, maybe in the future, esp at the price they are.

oh is the power upgrade worth the price of them?"

[AzzA]

I think there were a couple of good threads on this a litle while ago...

You should be able to find them using the search function at the top of the screen:thumbsup:

[Matty]

usually u have to have all the prior work done to the car like, exhaust, extractors, pod filter to acheive what they say you'll acheive... someone else should be able to explain more :)

[Dave_Q_2L]

dont waste your money on a chip....unless you have a lot of work already done and your tuning it all properly

[markp]

Georgie,

Dont bother with just a cat back zorst & chip. As ppl have said u need to do more mods/work - else have more planned for your car and re-tune to really take advantage of the chip.

Cheers,

Mark

[PhilSSStevenson]

powerchip?

answer = :vomit:

[slut]

Originally posted by PhilSSStevenson
powerchip?

answer = :vomit:

I couldn't have said it better :p

[kw]

I dunno about that Jeremy's car makes 92kw @ wheels using a power chip with a 2inch full exhaust, no extractors or CAI at all, so it really depends on how well your engine responds, IMO i think the SR20DE responds quite well to ECU changes due to the fact that it runs quite rich in standard form as a way of protecting the engine.

[AWK666]

Originally posted by Karlosss
I dunno about that Jeremy's car makes 92kw @ wheels using a power chip with a 2inch full exhaust, no extractors or CAI at all, so it really depends on how well your engine responds, IMO i think the SR20DE responds quite well to ECU changes due to the fact that it runs quite rich in standard form as a way of protecting the engine.

Yeah what karl said..........

Some people say that the only chips your gonna want are Smiths........but depending on what mods youve go how much money you wanna spend. I know rich (basshead) has a chip, mixed with a 2inch zaust+extractors, cams and a pod and hes pushing 98.

So yeah, some poeple would say its worth it and some would say thier not.

[Dave_Q_2L]

thats one car that it has worked for.....the amount of ones it hasnt done shit for or made it worse that i have heard of are more then enough for me to say there not worth it unless you have plenty of other work done

[PhilSSStevenson]

Originally posted by Dave_Q_2L
thats one car that it has worked for.....the amount of ones it hasnt done shit for or made it worse that i have heard of are more then enough for me to say there not worth it unless you have plenty of other work done


Spot on.....

especially powerchip....:vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

[[ FUZZY ]]

98kw???? wtf......was this run done is 3rd gear for that power???

[bretto]

Originally posted by Fuzzy dice
98kw???? wtf......was this run done is 3rd gear for that power??? I think the stage 2 cams helped quite a lot there.

[[ FUZZY ]]

Originally posted by bretto
I think the stage 2 cams helped quite a lot there.
oh l see.....wasn't sure if it had more done to it as it wasn't mentioned!!! :D :D

[SSSEX]

I was just wondering what are some good performance chips that can be used in conjuction with the SSS...

brands, types and prices and if they are any good thanks :)

[PULSSSAR]

Your better off with complete aftermarket management. Stand alone systems.

But, if you dont have $3k to $6k to play with, maybe look at the S-AFC, or the Greddy E-Manage

[kw]

I hear that powerchip do pretty well.....

[GaryD]

Talk to jem hes the tuning man of Team Anal our new garage that has just opened in Woodville. We'll do full dyno tuning and a unichip for $1000.00 installed. Anyway talk to Jem and he'll sort you out something

[QIKRNU]

Yeh Gary did some great tuning on my car. I was pulling 100kw at the wheels with just an exhaust and a chip. Talk to Jem he'll organise it for you.

[kw]

lol gary you poof

yeah go see team anal, just beware they do ream you a bit on price :p

[gmc]

Hey Gary,

What sort of mods do you think I should do to my car now? I'm kinda itching to do something cause I haven't touched it for a while now....

G

[PULSSSAR]

Originally posted by GT2540
Hey Gary,

What sort of mods do you think I should do to my car now? I'm kinda itching to do something cause I haven't touched it for a while now....

G

headwork, and cams.

[GaryD]

Originally posted by GT2540
Hey Gary,

What sort of mods do you think I should do to my car now? I'm kinda itching to do something cause I haven't touched it for a while now....

G

i just got some hks step 2 cams and sprockets and some nismo 720cc injectors too. Bring her around and we'll fit your 3037 on and ill give you a good deal on the cams and injectors. we can also plan your next stage of modifications.

[gmc]

You don't think the 600CC injectors I got will be enough?? :-(

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by GaryD
Talk to jem hes the tuning man of Team Anal our new garage that has just opened in Woodville. We'll do full dyno tuning and a unichip for $1000.00 installed. Anyway talk to Jem and he'll sort you out something

Thanks GArYD....yeah the new garage is going well, very busy at the moment too with a lot of work happening on pulsars at the moment.
I'll speak to the admins about sponsoring PGA too.

JEm
Team Anal Motorsports

This months special - Stroker Kits

[GaryD]

Originally posted by GT2540
You don't think the 600CC injectors I got will be enough?? :-(

Not for 450kw at the wheels it wont be. didnt you want to run a t88 at some stage?

[AWK666]

Team Anal got me 92KW atw NA. Its a good investment guys.

BTW Gary, i thought youd already promised me those cams?

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by AWK666

BTW Gary, i thought youd already promised me those cams?

One word - Bulk buy.

Plenty for everyone.

[GaryD]

the cams wont be good for your car mate, youre better off with some step 1 cams and p+p. bring her around, i just bought a new dremel and i need to practice my porting skilllz

[kw]

Gary/Jem do you guys still have that GT40 in stock, if so ill take it we will bolt it on this weekend, im def up for a stroker kit group buy

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by OWN33D
Gary/Jem do you guys still have that GT40 in stock, if so ill take it we will bolt it on this weekend, im def up for a stroker kit group buy

yes it is still in stock. but i will also sell you a custom manifold. meaning the actuator,compressor housing, oil lines have to be modified for it to fit.
This turbo is ideal for your application due to its quick spooling, meaning less lag. especially with a hit of NOS

[sr20power]

hey guys

i bought my n14 with the Powerchip in there already, it was installed about 6 years ago.
Just wondering do you guys think its worth it to get Chiptorque?

Im worried that the powerchip may lose its effectiveness after all these years and it may need a retune.
Is it right to say that?

Ive got pod at the mooment and planning to do exhaust and header later this year.

let me know what you guys think.

btw the documents i had from the previous owner quoted times like this:

before powerchip 0-100 8.9secs
after powerchip 0-100 8.43

[GaryD]

with those limited mods theres no real use in getting a chiptorque chip, wait at least until you have the exhaust. theres no reason why the powerchip would lose its effectiveness. I also believe they are not tunable

[jemN14sss]

Hey,
I had a powerchip in my N14 SSS too. There is no need for you to get another chip or get the chip retuned as far as i know. It's not like the chip just forgets everything.
If you are after an exhaust and headers, i have the one that was on my car when i had the chip for sale. With the chip and this exhaust system i had 92kw @ wheels with no pod. The exhaust is still in great shape and sounds awesome. Let me know, ok.:thumbsup:

[jasssper]

its not even worth having a chip with those limited mods to be honest, just keep what you got, not worth spending the cash on a new chip that you wont even notice the difference anyways.

[kw]

thats crap

chips own, being in jems and andrezs car i can tell you they do make a difference if you get a good one

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by jasssper
its not even worth having a chip with those limited mods to be honest, just keep what you got, not worth spending the cash on a new chip that you wont even notice the difference anyways.

when have you tried one?

[AWK666]

Originally posted by OWN33D
thats crap

chips own, being in jems and andrezs car i can tell you they do make a difference if you get a good one

owned.

Damn straight, i could feel a massive difference, even though on the Dyno it didnt make a big diff, went from 84.9 to 90.5.

[jemN14sss]

not just a power increase, the car becomes more fuel efficient too.

[kw]

Originally posted by jemN14sss
not just a power increase, the car becomes more fuel efficient too.

a little more anal if you will ;)

[jasssper]

Originally posted by jemN14sss
when have you tried one?

I have not tried one in my car not gonna waste my money mate.

i have driven one with a chip, didnt notice squat, and i have dragged 2 cars with the GOOD gold chips that give like 15 kw gain as they say, and they still dont have as much power as mine does with the same mods. Dyno and Drag times can prove it..

IT IS NOT WORTH THE MONEY UNLESS you have done more than bolt ons, if you have done port polish, maybe even jsut cams, then you get come piggy back system or engine management to control the air fuel settings from factory.

JEMN14SSS Have you got one????
also what gains did you get with what mods?? did you get it dyno'd b4 and after???? or is it psychological thoughts that you have more power.

Muppets
Jasper

[jasssper]

Originally posted by OWN33D
thats crap

chips own, being in jems and andrezs car i can tell you they do make a difference if you get a good one

oK What is a good chip???

You have to understand that they will make nearly no difference if you have not done internal mods, or if your car is near stock its not worth the money, better off spending it on something like good extractors and air intake...

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by jasssper
I have not tried one in my car not gonna waste my money mate.

i have driven one with a chip, didnt notice squat, and i have dragged 2 cars with the GOOD gold chips that give like 15 kw gain as they say, and they still dont have as much power as mine does with the same mods. Dyno and Drag times can prove it..

IT IS NOT WORTH THE MONEY UNLESS you have done more than bolt ons, if you have done port polish, maybe even jsut cams, then you get come piggy back system or engine management to control the air fuel settings from factory.

JEMN14SSS Have you got one????
also what gains did you get with what mods?? did you get it dyno'd b4 and after???? or is it psychological thoughts that you have more power.

Muppets
Jasper

Yeah i have done some extensive testing with powerchip gold 98 with 2 SR20's.
Unlike most people i fully test a product before i give it my stamp of approval or reject it without even bothering to really find out the facts.
With the powerchip the noted gains at the wheels on the dyno have been approximately 10kw. Both engines had a high flowing exhaust as there only mods.
Fuel efficiency of both engines was increased very remarkably. Along with an air fuel ratio that was close to perfect.
Drag racing another car with another driver does not give a good indication of anything between the cars performance. Drag racing is more about how a driver drives a car.

[NambuccaSSS]

I find it hard to believe that people are saying that engine management is useless unless your car is modifyed to a point beyond bolt ons. Common sense would tell us this is absolute crap. Reason 1) is that i am sure that no single manafacturer would release a car that uses the most aggressive tune possible for the engine in their cars
Reason 2) There have been hundreds of worked and dyno proven results in magazines over the years showing how proper engine management can find HP on a complete stock engine as well as lightly and heavily modifyed engines.

I have seen quotes around the web that say that on a stock N/A sr20de you can find between 5 -15KW by using modifyed engine management. Now i doubt whether 15KW would be standard but i have seen many times between 5-10KW gained.

[GaryD]

Originally posted by jasssper
oK What is a good chip???

There is no definition of a good chip. Many will do different jobs and include many different features. I guess most people would say Motec is great, but on a sss with just extractors and an exhaust it may be a little excessive. With a decent programmable chip and a decent tuner I would expect somewhere in the vercinity of 10kw to be added for a fairly stock n/a.


You have to understand that they will make nearly no difference if you have not done internal mods, or if your car is near stock its not worth the money, better off spending it on something like good extractors and air intake...


thats utter shite and from what im seeing you have little to no real world experience. Just from optimising the maps on an otherwise stock car would make a difference. you have to also remember that its not all max power/torque that are important, its area under the curve. Obviously the more area under the curve the more overall power you have, throughout the rev range.

on my 200sx im looking at a possible 30-40kw gain with no internal modifications. sure you say, oh thats a turbo etc etc, but the reality is, the main job of the tuner is to optimise the fuel mixtures to the point of detonation then winding things back to a safer level. Thats around a 20% gain. I'd say jems car probably had around a 8-9% gain on most of the cars at the previous dyno day. And im sure the maps could have been more aggresive than what they are, but remember his chip is a pre-built chip for all the sss's and is made to accomodate the lowest common denominator.

[kw]

owned
I thought they mapped out jems on site? ah well anyway what gary has said is correct, factory ecus are set at a base map which is pretty much safe, however far from optimum, especially the jap spec models which i am pretty certain retain the ecu from japan, hence the reason why the radiator is smaller on jap spec sss's comapared to aus spec sss's, but thats another issue, the point is people complain that a chip may only give them an extra 5wkw, but the way in which the engine ultimatly delivers the power is much smoother and more seamless, there is less of that cam light-switch effect, where you can feel the cams kicking in over a certain rpm (say 3000) and simply better operation. As jem said it also becomes more fuel efficent, as the maps have been optimized.
Refering to my earlier point dont you think it makes sense to have the fuel maps and ignition sparking remapped to suit our climatic conditions? your standard jap spec ecus are programmed to suit japanese weather which is more broad in temprature difference than australia, where most of the time if you are living on the coast you rarely see below 19celcius.
Your arguement is that they are pointless without engine internal work, however i strongly believe that 99% of the time the problem isnt with the product but the tuner. head work and cams need extra tuning more to the fact of the cams than the headwork, the factory head on a DE flows ON AVERAGE AT MAXIMUM around 200cfm, which is really pushing it, thats a fairly efficent head for a factory 4 cylinder
I think you may have just tried a bad chip or didnt get a long enough drive to fully evaluate the changes that the chip had made

[AWK666]

Im really starting to wish i had have gone to the Dyno Day on saturday so i could post up a run sheet to shut the ignorant ****s up.
A chip will make a difference, any change in the fuel map is going to make a difference, bang. pure and simple. Game over, argument dead. Gone. Thats all a chip does, alters an engines fuel map.

As jem said, Try before you go and slam something. I swear it, this argument is lake saying Drinking beer wont get you drunk.

[jemN14sss]

Karl,
I like the pic of the eight six in your avatar.

[kamikaze]

U ARE ALL NUGGETS MTUHAHHAHA

91.3kw :P

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by kamikaze


91.3kw :P

nugget

[kw]

Nugget! :)

[GaryD]

:roll:

[kamikaze]

MC NUGGET !

[Blitz]

ok a question for you all..

right now ive got basic mods done, extractors exaust and air pod (semi CAI).

when a chip (eg powerchip gold, not a re-programable one) is installed is there any tuning of the chip done at all ? the reason im asking cause if later down the track i decide to do further engine mods will the chip learn and self adjust to the new mods giving extra benifit ?

[jemN14sss]

Originally posted by Blitz
ok a question for you all..

right now ive got basic mods done, extractors exaust and air pod (semi CAI).

when a chip (eg powerchip gold, not a re-programable one) is installed is there any tuning of the chip done at all ? the reason im asking cause if later down the track i decide to do further engine mods will the chip learn and self adjust to the new mods giving extra benifit ?

The chip will learn your mods with out the need of external tuning. With one of my tests of the Gold 98 powerchip, I put the chip in my car whilst it was still stock, it made a difference. Then a few months later i put the exhaust on and the difference was amazing. The important thing to remember is that it usually takes several hundred kilometres before the chip learns your mods and runs at its peak.

[sss]

G'day,

Ive been reading up about this powerchip and was wondering - how does it change your timing? From reading the articles some of you have posted, it seems that the timing can only be changed by moving the distributer slightly (n14 SSS).

Does this mean that when you have a chip, the timing should be set at 15 degrees and not 17 degrees?

How many people have a powerchip on this forum?

Lino

[Sunder]

Our ignition systems are electronically controlled with the distributor only providing base timing.

The chip contains an altered map, but it expects timing to be 15 degrees. If you have it on 17, likely you'll ping or at the least get less power.

[sss]

Sunder,

Why does advanced timing produce less power? Does this mean that a car with its timing on 17 degrees will produce more power than one with its timing on 20 degrees?

Lino

[Wolfram]

Sunder,

Why does advanced timing produce less power? Does this mean that a car with its timing on 17 degrees will produce more power than one with its timing on 20 degrees?

Lino

As Sunder said because the powerchip can only altered the fuel mix map, which in most cases running slightly leaner. On stock timing 13-15BTC this can produce slight increase power (only in limited rev range). This might be okay if powerchip is the only mod you will ever do. Most powerchip companies make their map for STOCK engines. Also you have to bear in mind, stock ecus are tune to suit wide range of temperature and enviroment. While powerchip companies almost never put those variables into consideration while developing thier map.

Nothing can subsitute a fully programmable ECU, tune on dyno by someone who knows the ECU and the engine. (also ECU tunings are best to be done in summer time during the hottest period, as this will minimise pinging in the future, and best reliable performance all year round)

[Sunder]

Sunder,

Why does advanced timing produce less power? Does this mean that a car with its timing on 17 degrees will produce more power than one with its timing on 20 degrees?

Lino

No, the power curve for timing advancement is a parabolic curve. But when chips are written, they are designed to get the most power possible out of timing.

So just say they know that the best time to fire the spark at 4000rpm, is 35 degrees BTDC. 33 produces less power and 37 produces less power. So they write in the map, +20.

If you've got your timing set at 15, then the spark will fire at 35* BTDC. If you've got it at 17, it'll fire at 37BTDC, if you've got it at 20, it'll fire at 40BTDC.

Does that make sense?