Pod Filter Heat Sheild Templates

[xlnsss]

Hi,
Guys I am looking at getting a heat sheild made up for the SSS, anyone got any good templates or ideas ?

[Turbo4s]

Adam made up a heat shield for his N15 SSS, there are two pics here (http://forum.pulsar.org.au/attachment.php?s=&postid=20092) & here (http://forum.pulsar.org.au/attachment.php?s=&postid=20094) , the thread for this can be found here (http://forum.pulsar.org.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1946) :thumbsup:

[Sim]

hey thats a neat job there adam :thumbsup:
what was involved in making them up??? did u do it urself??
how much??

[Adam]

Thank you sim and corey... *bows to the crowd*
naaa, it was pretty simple. Just went along to a sheet metal worker in milton where he measured up the bay and bent an off-cut of 2mm aluminium (cost $10) and it seems to do the job nicely...
:Poke:

[Wattage]

Either that, or just make up a mock one out of cardboard and stick it all together. Take it to an engineer and tell 'em to make one up for you. Doesn't 'really' matter what its made out of, as long as there is a nice cool air feed going into it.

[Spectrix]

Considering the amount of radiant heat appartent in engine bays I'd be making it out of (or coating it in) something that reflects heat. Aluminium isn't brilliant at this.. perhaps an adheasive silicon sheeting could be used on the engine side.

[Wattage]

true, but a shield as such is never going to be as good as a complete box, as you're only blocking direct heat from that side. Heat soak will most likely still be a problem when no cool air is making it's way through the feed pipe (ie at traffic lights). Therefore, unless you are going to make a full box around the filter, what you make the 'shield' out of is really not going to make a pinch of shit of difference. I would say it's more cosmetic that anything.

Purely my opinion of course.

[Spectrix]

As for the shield being air tight, I totally agree. The intake will suck air from any place(s) of least resistance.. which is not going to be a long windy pipe. You cannot rely on a CAI to push air into a non sealed intake when the whole engine bay is full of free flowing warm air.

However, a sealed box with no insulation will quikly heat the small volume of intake air while idling, I have proven this during testing with a temperature probe.
(I use a stock airbox with a sealed CAI plus Ceramic Fibre insulation -there is a pic of it here... http://members.pulsar.org.au/profiledisplay.php?ID=32 )

[kabazza]

Nice setup Spectrix - looks look it would do the job. (might have to pop in for a Glutwein and visit next Jan - heading off to Gruesch / Davos for skiing)

I just mounted a calibrated thermometer into the air intake (just before the throttle body to check the temperature of the air going in. I have a Simota pod (unshielded) with CIA and the air temperature can rise over 30-40 degrees in a few minutes in slow traffic (big time powerloss on takeoff)

http://www.rtdev.com.au/clients/pga/ (pictures)

I am setting up a custom shield with a mate. Last weekend - we remounted the battery flush with the side of the engine (not shown in the images above) and remounted all the wiring in preparation for the shield which will be Aluminium with heat resistant material, dual fans and 2x CAI pipes and a see-through lid (perspex for show) - if it does a good job - I will post a few pictures and measurements (next weekend) - if not I will be looking at a setup like Spectrix.

I heard another dude did a custom shield from a modified Suzuki GTI Airbox with an internal K&N filter!

Best of Luck

Kabazza

[Zhecka]

You want a High-flow aftermarket Filter in your engine bay with a perfect heat shield? Read on....

Step-by step instructions:

1.DROP IN A K&N FILTER(or similar) IN YOUR STOCK AIRBOX
2.REMOVE FACTORY SNORKEL
3.DUCT SOME COLD AIR THROUGH THE RESULTING OPENING
4.TAKE YOUR TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT
5. YOU'VE JUST REALISED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE SPEND SO MUCH MONEY AND EFFORT TRYING TO COMPLICATE WHAT ESSENTIALLY IS REALLY A SIMPLE CONCEPT.
6.ENJOY

[Spectrix]

Interesting idea with the dual fans kabazza, I'll look forward to seeing that setup. I like the perspex idea too since pods look great.
Will you need to setup a flap or valve to release air when idling? Those fans will be pushing in more air than the engine is using if you're sitting at the lights...

Joey

[Turbo4s]

O.K. Joey x 2 :roll:

[Spectrix]

Heheh.. 1 for each fan

How embarrassment :p

[Salvo]

Originally posted by Zhecka
You want a High-flow aftermarket Filter in your engine bay with a perfect heat shield? Read on....
1.DROP IN A K&N FILTER(or similar) IN YOUR STOCK AIRBOX

A Few Points

It's arguable whether an Aftermarket "Performance" Panel Filter allows any more air in than a Genuine Nissan Panel Filter.
Most Performance Afficianados believe a Pod filter allows a much higher air-flow than a Panel Filter in a Standard Airbox.
If you know where to shop, you can fit a Pod w/ Heatshield for the same price as an Aftermarket Panel Filter.


Another problem that may arise with a CAI directly feeding an Airbox is when the CAI gets water, so does the Airbox.
With a Pod, when a CAI gets water, the Filter stays dry as a Proverbial. You can even have multiple CAI's.

[Rhys9]

I agree with Zhecka the easy way that work a treat!!!


:eek: kabazza plz tell me that your paint didn't cost you much i love it :rockin: it's the exact colour i want to paint my car!

Rhys

[kabazza]

Thanks for the compliment...

to be honest, the guy I bought it off did the hard paint yards - wish I knew how much it cost too....the car was fully stiripped down (everything out and off).

I had a few hassles with the paint peeling off the side skirts as they were not primed well - but another mate of mine (crash repairer) in Adelaide matched the paint and did a great touchup job to fix the flaking.

If anyone's car needs a small detail (paint and panel wise) PM me and I will give you his details....good and cheap

Looks like the heat shield setup will start this weekend. A mate and I got enthused and remounted the battery parallel with the side of the car and rerouted the electrics to suit.

I agree that the performance diff will be minimal (been keeping an eye on the ambient air temp in the intake to check against)...but it will look good...and the shield is designed to lower the battery temperature (and maybe reduce intake turbluence as well)...not just getting cool air.

Hell - lemme get the damn thing together and you can all have a laugh at my shonkey workmanship (*grin*)

Cheers
Kabazza

[Twells]

Hey guys,

I have got an filter pod and a perspex box installed and I will post some pictures as soon as I can get digital camera until then



Twells:rockin:

[kabazza]

Wicked Twells - would love to see a few piccies.

Is it a sealed enclosure and did you notice any real temperature difference?

Is it a pain to keep clean?

And other gotchas?

Cheers
Aron

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[evo4]

is wat zhecka saying referring to a replacement filter panel? or shoving a pod filter inside the original airbox itself? :eek:

cos to me, shoving the pod inside would make sense. it'll do the same job or better, than a metal panel protecting it from the engine heat (purely since some engine heat will still get in, whereas using the box would only get air from outside).

it'll also keep the nosy bacon boys clueless :p

[AzzA]

yeah that's a good idea evo, i've been thinking about that for a while but my old pod filter couldn't fit in the old box...Just need to get one a different shape i guess...With proper CAI it would work better that a pod with heat shield i recon, better insulation and everything....

[basshead]

Originally posted by Twells
Hey guys,

I have got an filter pod and a perspex box installed and I will post some pictures as soon as I can get digital camera until then



Twells:rockin:

Got a camera yet Twells?

[Mr N20]

well i think my CAI shits on all of you!!!!:thumbsup:

view avatar to your left........<---

i have a temp probe in the opening of the throttle body at 60kp/h with an ambient of 32 degrees i get 24 degrees at the throttle body.
at 18 degrees ambient i get 9 degrees
and on the methanol injection i get 4 degrees below zero!!!!:eek:


SCHWEEEET!!!:devil:

[SN000T]

i am doing my heatsheild/box around pod this week end and will post som pics along with the template that i made out of cardboard.
I am going to move my battery side ways a bit..... is this going to get me in trouble wit the law, QLD.:Poke:

[Miss Nismo]

Originally posted by Zhecka
You want a High-flow aftermarket Filter in your engine bay with a perfect heat shield? Read on....

Step-by step instructions:

1.DROP IN A K&N FILTER(or similar) IN YOUR STOCK AIRBOX
2.REMOVE FACTORY SNORKEL
3.DUCT SOME COLD AIR THROUGH THE RESULTING OPENING
4.TAKE YOUR TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT
5. YOU'VE JUST REALISED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE SPEND SO MUCH MONEY AND EFFORT TRYING TO COMPLICATE WHAT ESSENTIALLY IS REALLY A SIMPLE CONCEPT.
6.ENJOY

This is what i have done in my skyline, it is legal so you can't get defected for it, unlike a airfilter pod.

The only good thing that the airfilter pod did that was in there is make a cool sound, but with the stock airbox in there, with a K&N filter inside (you can buy them to fit) it is more beneficial performance wise.

[mr-n14]

i have had both set ups, i reckon, during the day stock air box is better with CAI, but at nite, pod shits over it, and heat shields outta metal based stuff? man, how hot would that get!!!!
i reckon get a air vent above the filter or get those filters that sit in the bars?
what yas reckon?

[basshead]

Last weekend I made up a heatshield for Flameboy... Pretty much a copy of my one - I still had the cardboard template but it still took a few hours to get it just right to get into his engine bay... He has a different battery and his filter is in a slightly different position to mine as well.

The sheet of aluminium was $30 (didn't measure it before I cut it up!) and it's 1.6mm thick. I have enough left over to still make a "lid" for my heatshield (haven't done it yet but I've made the template from cardboard already). This will better seal the air filter and battery from engine bay heat, and hopefully reduce the heatsoak.

Fan is working well with around a 10 degree drop in temperature when sitting at lights/peakhour traffic. I'll be leaving a gap at the back of the heatshield to allow some air flow (hot air to get out).

Not sure if that area is the same in an N14... You could get a copy of the template(s) if you like.